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Kris, this interview was outstanding! I could easily pick several highlights from the conversation, but what I enjoyed most was the question about books. It's like we get to take even more from this conversation by reading something new (or even something familiar, as a couple of these titles are for me).

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I totally agree! It's really amazing how reading different, but nuanced, perspectives on the same subject can really expand your mind and feelings. Feel free to drop any book recs you've got, too. And thanks for reading!

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This: "I’m getting more and more accepting of, and comfortable with, the idea that we will have messy conversations. No one knows how to talk about everything beautifully or perfectly, and that’s part of being human, of growing and learning, and of acknowledging that we have so much to continue to strive to improve internally as a community." This is, to me, one of the biggest challenges to intersectional activism. It's so hard to trust that we can work through the messiness and get to greater trust and empathy on the other side, and it's one of the most important things we have to do. I love that challenge of keeping my mouth shut sometimes, and just really listening to the experiences of people who seem really familiar to me in some ways and very different in others. I loved reading this interview, and have started listening to the podcast.

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